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Dec 10, 2017 23:33:55 GMT -4
Post by Bannanachair on Dec 10, 2017 23:33:55 GMT -4
So the indigenous people are the majority? In that case, it wouldn't have been colonized like India; rather, it would have gotten the same treatment as China. It looks like someone needs to study 18th century British colonial history! No, YOU should study How To Stop Making Terrible Assumptions. It's a great piece of literature. Okay, the British already had India. They realized how hard it was to manage an entire goddam continent larger than their homeland. They chose not to do it to China, hence why China got the unequal treaties instead of Victoria being Empress of India and Cathay. If China was too much of a headache for the Brits to want to conquer after the Opium Wars, I doubt that they'd want much more of the Coral "Islands" than an outlying island, like Hong Kong or Macau, and complete economic dominance like in the unequal treaties. |
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Dec 10, 2017 23:34:03 GMT -4
Post by snowy happy on Dec 10, 2017 23:34:03 GMT -4
I'm not gonna bother telling you if you're just gonna insult it. And yes, every colour/shape there is representing something that has to do with Coural. Frankly it's not the worst flag I've seen; most of the New Zealand flag replacements from a couple months ago were worse, but yours is still pretty terrible. But I'm really curious as to what it stands for. I'm assuming that the red on the right side of it represents the blood of all the country's competent vexicologists who must have been killed in some historic disaster around the time of the making of the flag, but I can't figure out the rest of it. Alright, fine. Don't pick out every little error and make fun of it like you have been for the past 30 minutes. The red bar represents the difficult history with colonialism and the Korean War. The blue represents the Pacific Ocean that surrounds Coural. The two stars represent the two main big islands in Coural (and one of them is smaller them each other, which is true to the actual islands). The orange and yellow diagonal stripes represent the current wealth and prosperity of Coural, while the green represents the hopeful future of Coural. It's not a terrible flag. |
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Dec 10, 2017 23:35:00 GMT -4
Post by snowy happy on Dec 10, 2017 23:35:00 GMT -4
No, YOU should study How To Stop Making Terrible Assumptions. It's a great piece of literature. Okay, the British already had India. They realized how hard it was to manage an entire goddam continent larger than their homeland. They chose not to do it to China, hence why China got the unequal treaties instead of Victoria being Empress of India and Cathay. If China was too much of a headache for the Brits to want to conquer after the Opium Wars, I doubt that they'd want much more of the Coral "Islands" than an outlying island, like Hong Kong or Macau, and complete economic dominance like in the unequal treaties. Dude, Coural isn't that large. I literally never said anything about the size of Coural and you just assumed it was bigger then the UK. |
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Dec 10, 2017 23:49:47 GMT -4
Post by Bannanachair on Dec 10, 2017 23:49:47 GMT -4
Okay, the British already had India. They realized how hard it was to manage an entire goddam continent larger than their homeland. They chose not to do it to China, hence why China got the unequal treaties instead of Victoria being Empress of India and Cathay. If China was too much of a headache for the Brits to want to conquer after the Opium Wars, I doubt that they'd want much more of the Coral "Islands" than an outlying island, like Hong Kong or Macau, and complete economic dominance like in the unequal treaties. Dude, Coural isn't that large. I literally never said anything about the size of Coural and you just assumed it was bigger then the UK. Okay, fine, put a population half that of India into a space smaller than the UK. See how that goes. Half a billion people in 243,610 square kilometres gives a population density of 2052 people per square kilometre. That's... Actually not as bad as I thought it would be, but it still leaves you with what is basically a giant city with the same area as the UK. Not England, but all of the UK (I can recalculate for just England if you want me to, but the numbers agree more with me if we do so). I do not think that you can have a valid agricultural industry for a place that densely packed, but I honestly don't know. Still, the Coral Islands would be extremely dependent on imported food, much like Singapore. Now, let me tell you something about living in a country where all the food is imported: It sucks. It's too goddam expensive. And that's for a city a hundredth the size (in terms of population) of what you're proposing. If food is expensive, everything else will also be expensive, which will make the Coral Islands a shitty place to live. It's not sustainable. simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density is a good resource if you want to know some realistic population densities. Either way, you're left with either mini-continents that would have allowed for trade between China and the Americas in the ancient world, through the mini-continents, or a country too large and too densely populated to exist. |
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Dec 10, 2017 23:51:22 GMT -4
Post by snowy happy on Dec 10, 2017 23:51:22 GMT -4
Dude, Coural isn't that large. I literally never said anything about the size of Coural and you just assumed it was bigger then the UK. Okay, fine, put a population half that of India into a space smaller than the UK. See how that goes. Half a billion people in 243,610 square kilometres gives a population density of 2052 people per square kilometre. That's... Actually not as bad as I thought it would be, but it still leaves you with what is basically a giant city with the same area as the UK. Not England, but all of the UK (I can recalculate for just England if you want me to, but the numbers agree more with me if we do so). I do not think that you can have a valid agricultural industry for a place that densely packed, but I honestly don't know. Still, the Coral Islands would be extremely dependent on imported food, much like Singapore. Now, let me tell you something about living in a country where all the food is imported: It sucks. It's too goddam expensive. And that's for a city a hundredth the size (in terms of population) of what you're proposing. If food is expensive, everything else will also be expensive, which will make the Coral Islands a shitty place to live. It's not sustainable. simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density is a good resource if you want to know some realistic population densities. Either way, you're left with either mini-continents that would have allowed for trade between China and the Americas in the ancient world, through the mini-continents, or a country too large and too densely populated to exist. Tim, I didn't say it was smaller then the UK, either. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SIZE. |
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Dec 10, 2017 23:51:46 GMT -4
Post by Bannanachair on Dec 10, 2017 23:51:46 GMT -4
Frankly it's not the worst flag I've seen; most of the New Zealand flag replacements from a couple months ago were worse, but yours is still pretty terrible. But I'm really curious as to what it stands for. I'm assuming that the red on the right side of it represents the blood of all the country's competent vexicologists who must have been killed in some historic disaster around the time of the making of the flag, but I can't figure out the rest of it. Alright, fine. Don't pick out every little error and make fun of it like you have been for the past 30 minutes. The red bar represents the difficult history with colonialism and the Korean War. The blue represents the Pacific Ocean that surrounds Coural. The two stars represent the two main big islands in Coural (and one of them is smaller them each other, which is true to the actual islands). The orange and yellow diagonal stripes represent the current wealth and prosperity of Coural, while the green represents the hopeful future of Coural. It's not a terrible flag. You don't get it. With these islands, the Korean War would not have happened. WWII would have gone very differently, or maybe wouldn't have happened at all. Those islands, with a population like that, break geopolitics. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 23:52:00 GMT -4
Frankly it's not the worst flag I've seen; most of the New Zealand flag replacements from a couple months ago were worse, but yours is still pretty terrible. But I'm really curious as to what it stands for. I'm assuming that the red on the right side of it represents the blood of all the country's competent vexicologists who must have been killed in some historic disaster around the time of the making of the flag, but I can't figure out the rest of it. Alright, fine. Don't pick out every little error and make fun of it like you have been for the past 30 minutes. The red bar represents the difficult history with colonialism and the Korean War. The blue represents the Pacific Ocean that surrounds Coural. The two stars represent the two main big islands in Coural (and one of them is smaller them each other, which is true to the actual islands). The orange and yellow diagonal stripes represent the current wealth and prosperity of Coural, while the green represents the hopeful future of Coural. It's not a terrible flag. Do they remove the yellow stripes in times of economic downturn, or keep it up as an illusion of prosperity? |
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Coural
Dec 10, 2017 23:56:04 GMT -4
Post by Bannanachair on Dec 10, 2017 23:56:04 GMT -4
Okay, fine, put a population half that of India into a space smaller than the UK. See how that goes. Half a billion people in 243,610 square kilometres gives a population density of 2052 people per square kilometre. That's... Actually not as bad as I thought it would be, but it still leaves you with what is basically a giant city with the same area as the UK. Not England, but all of the UK (I can recalculate for just England if you want me to, but the numbers agree more with me if we do so). I do not think that you can have a valid agricultural industry for a place that densely packed, but I honestly don't know. Still, the Coral Islands would be extremely dependent on imported food, much like Singapore. Now, let me tell you something about living in a country where all the food is imported: It sucks. It's too goddam expensive. And that's for a city a hundredth the size (in terms of population) of what you're proposing. If food is expensive, everything else will also be expensive, which will make the Coral Islands a shitty place to live. It's not sustainable. simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density is a good resource if you want to know some realistic population densities. Either way, you're left with either mini-continents that would have allowed for trade between China and the Americas in the ancient world, through the mini-continents, or a country too large and too densely populated to exist. Tim, I didn't say it was smaller then the UK, either. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SIZE. No, you didn't, but I'm assuming that it has a definite size. When I made one assumption about the size, you said I was wrong, so I made another assumption about the size to correct for that. It has to be either smaller than the UK, which would give it an unsustainable population and population density, or it has to be larger than the UK, and much larger or else it would defeat the point of being larger than the UK, in which case, due to geography, all of human history from antiquity would be different. Now, if my assumption that these islands actually have a size is what's wrong, then this entire endeavour is stupid. Because you're not that stupid, I'm going to say that these islands have a size. |
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Coural
Dec 10, 2017 23:58:14 GMT -4
Post by snowy happy on Dec 10, 2017 23:58:14 GMT -4
Alright, fine. Don't pick out every little error and make fun of it like you have been for the past 30 minutes. The red bar represents the difficult history with colonialism and the Korean War. The blue represents the Pacific Ocean that surrounds Coural. The two stars represent the two main big islands in Coural (and one of them is smaller them each other, which is true to the actual islands). The orange and yellow diagonal stripes represent the current wealth and prosperity of Coural, while the green represents the hopeful future of Coural. It's not a terrible flag. Do they remove the yellow stripes in times of economic downturn, or keep it up as an illusion of prosperity? No, that'd probably be a nightmare for Coural. Places like the D.R. Congo have things like that on their flag, despite the fact that they aren't rich. |
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Dec 11, 2017 0:01:02 GMT -4
Post by snowy happy on Dec 11, 2017 0:01:02 GMT -4
Tim, I didn't say it was smaller then the UK, either. I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE SIZE. No, you didn't, but I'm assuming that it has a definite size. When I made one assumption about the size, you said I was wrong, so I made another assumption about the size to correct for that. It has to be either smaller than the UK, which would give it an unsustainable population and population density, or it has to be larger than the UK, and much larger or else it would defeat the point of being larger than the UK, in which case, due to geography, all of human history from antiquity would be different. Now, if my assumption that these islands actually have a size is what's wrong, then this entire endeavour is stupid. Because you're not that stupid, I'm going to say that these islands have a size. I've been working so hard on this and you've just been doing nothing but criticizing it. Do you not realize what that feels like? Also, this thread is ruined. I wanted to make it sort of like a diary, where I showed all the changes I make, but no. Can't do that now. |
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Coural
Dec 11, 2017 0:02:47 GMT -4
Post by Bannanachair on Dec 11, 2017 0:02:47 GMT -4
Honestly, with the population density thing, things could be a lot worse than even my most extreme example. Given that the Kowloon Walled City existed, the entire population that you suggested could theoretically live in an area only slightly larger than Singapore, assuming that they had food coming in. It wouldn't be a comfortable, or eco-friendly, life, but it would be life. |
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Coural
Dec 11, 2017 0:03:46 GMT -4
Post by Bannanachair on Dec 11, 2017 0:03:46 GMT -4
No, you didn't, but I'm assuming that it has a definite size. When I made one assumption about the size, you said I was wrong, so I made another assumption about the size to correct for that. It has to be either smaller than the UK, which would give it an unsustainable population and population density, or it has to be larger than the UK, and much larger or else it would defeat the point of being larger than the UK, in which case, due to geography, all of human history from antiquity would be different. Now, if my assumption that these islands actually have a size is what's wrong, then this entire endeavour is stupid. Because you're not that stupid, I'm going to say that these islands have a size. I've been working so hard on this and you've just been doing nothing but criticizing it. Do you not realize what that feels like? Also, this thread is ruined. I wanted to make it sort of like a diary, where I showed all the changes I make, but no. Can't do that now. Yeah, I know what it feels like. Take these criticisms to heart. Your future work will be better for it. |
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Dec 11, 2017 0:04:43 GMT -4
Post by snowy happy on Dec 11, 2017 0:04:43 GMT -4
I've been working so hard on this and you've just been doing nothing but criticizing it. Do you not realize what that feels like? Also, this thread is ruined. I wanted to make it sort of like a diary, where I showed all the changes I make, but no. Can't do that now. Yeah, I know what it feels like. Take these criticisms to heart. Your future work will be better for it. Uh, no. They're all just extremely tiny details that wouldn't really make any future fictional nations better. |
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Dec 11, 2017 0:05:04 GMT -4
Post by snowy happy on Dec 11, 2017 0:05:04 GMT -4
Honestly, with the population density thing, things could be a lot worse than even my most extreme example. Given that the Kowloon Walled City existed, the entire population that you suggested could theoretically live in an area only slightly larger than Singapore, assuming that they had food coming in. It wouldn't be a comfortable, or eco-friendly, life, but it would be life. I think the population will be in the eighty millions. |
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Dec 11, 2017 0:07:02 GMT -4
Post by Bannanachair on Dec 11, 2017 0:07:02 GMT -4
Yeah, I know what it feels like. Take these criticisms to heart. Your future work will be better for it. Uh, no. They're all just extremely tiny details that wouldn't really make any future fictional nations better. I think that the geopolitical impact of the nation's existence and the size and population density of the country aren't "tiny details", but hey, what do I know? I've never tried this. I'm going to try this once I get back to Singapore just to prove that I'm better than you because my ego won't stand for anything less than being superior to everyone in every way. |
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Dec 11, 2017 0:08:51 GMT -4
Post by Bannanachair on Dec 11, 2017 0:08:51 GMT -4
Honestly, with the population density thing, things could be a lot worse than even my most extreme example. Given that the Kowloon Walled City existed, the entire population that you suggested could theoretically live in an area only slightly larger than Singapore, assuming that they had food coming in. It wouldn't be a comfortable, or eco-friendly, life, but it would be life. I think the population will be in the eighty millions. I thought it was half a billion. You don't have to be a puppet country of another country to allow your citizens to join their army. In Singapore all permanent residents, even if they're not citizens, are drafted at 18. Luxembourg, because they're landlocked, has an agreement with Belgium and the Netherlands to allow their soldiers to join the navy of one of those countries. Second, when you said "island nation", I was assuming something that's roughly the size and population of one of those pacific island nations that very few people can remember the names of all of. If I'm wrong in my assumption, please give me approximate surface areas and populations so that I can reassess my comment. Also, while I'm thinking of it, off which coast are the Coral Islands? In my head I'm imagining the Atlantic Ocean, but if they're to join the Korean War it would make more sense for it to be the Pacific Ocean. I didn't say that you have to be a puppet country. I was pointing out that during the Korean War, they weren't colonized. They're in the Pacific, although they're close to Alaska, as well. They're kinda nestled in between the bay where Alaska and mainland Canada is. I don't have a specific land area statistic, and if I did, it'd still probably be extremely inaccurate, as it's, like, impossible to estimate that, but it's definitely large. The population will probably be around 500,000,000. |
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Post by snowy happy on Dec 11, 2017 0:09:36 GMT -4
Uh, no. They're all just extremely tiny details that wouldn't really make any future fictional nations better. I think that the geopolitical impact of the nation's existence and the size and population density of the country aren't "tiny details", but hey, what do I know? I've never tried this. I'm going to try this once I get back to Singapore just to prove that I'm better than you because my ego won't stand for anything less than being superior to everyone in every way. Exactly why I dislike you. I doubt you'll actually be able to even get started. If you DO manage to, then it'll probably be full of terrible names and generic anthems and road names and river names and lake names and mountain names... MEANWHILE, I have a good plan for the map in my mind and I already have the basic shape and coasts and mountain names and heights AND around half of all of the rivers/lakes in the country! |
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Dec 11, 2017 0:10:15 GMT -4
Post by snowy happy on Dec 11, 2017 0:10:15 GMT -4
I think the population will be in the eighty millions. I thought it was half a billion. I didn't say that you have to be a puppet country. I was pointing out that during the Korean War, they weren't colonized. They're in the Pacific, although they're close to Alaska, as well. They're kinda nestled in between the bay where Alaska and mainland Canada is. I don't have a specific land area statistic, and if I did, it'd still probably be extremely inaccurate, as it's, like, impossible to estimate that, but it's definitely large. The population will probably be around 500,000,000. I was just making up a number based on what I had to satisfy you. Obviously it didn't work. |
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Coural
Dec 11, 2017 0:11:41 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 0:11:41 GMT -4
Uh, no. They're all just extremely tiny details that wouldn't really make any future fictional nations better. I think that the geopolitical impact of the nation's existence and the size and population density of the country aren't "tiny details", but hey, what do I know? I've never tried this. I'm going to try this once I get back to Singapore just to prove that I'm better than you because my ego won't stand for anything less than being superior to everyone in every way.bet you don't/can't draw like me!! |
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Dec 11, 2017 0:12:44 GMT -4
Post by snowy happy on Dec 11, 2017 0:12:44 GMT -4
I think that the geopolitical impact of the nation's existence and the size and population density of the country aren't "tiny details", but hey, what do I know? I've never tried this. I'm going to try this once I get back to Singapore just to prove that I'm better than you because my ego won't stand for anything less than being superior to everyone in every way.bet you don't/can't draw like me!! Draw a fictional country!!!!!!11111111111111 |
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Coural
Dec 11, 2017 0:12:54 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 0:12:54 GMT -4
I thought it was half a billion. I was just making up a number based on what I had to satisfy you. Obviously it didn't work. I can do that, too! the population is 5. |
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Dec 11, 2017 0:13:17 GMT -4
Post by snowy happy on Dec 11, 2017 0:13:17 GMT -4
I was just making up a number based on what I had to satisfy you. Obviously it didn't work. I can do that, too! the population is 5. 234,247,300.56327 |
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Dec 11, 2017 0:13:23 GMT -4
Post by Bannanachair on Dec 11, 2017 0:13:23 GMT -4
I think that the geopolitical impact of the nation's existence and the size and population density of the country aren't "tiny details", but hey, what do I know? I've never tried this. I'm going to try this once I get back to Singapore just to prove that I'm better than you because my ego won't stand for anything less than being superior to everyone in every way. Exactly why I dislike you. I doubt you'll actually be able to even get started. If you DO manage to, then it'll probably be full of terrible names and generic anthems and road names and river names and lake names and mountain names... This will be fun! I'm not good at drawing maps, so I'll have to find out how to do that, but I'm good at thinking through the consequences of everything other than my own actions. |
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Dec 11, 2017 0:13:40 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 0:13:40 GMT -4
bet you don't/can't draw like me!! Draw a fictional country!!!!!!11111111111111 Fuck no that's boring and I already did that in like 4th grade |
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Dec 11, 2017 0:13:52 GMT -4
Post by snowy happy on Dec 11, 2017 0:13:52 GMT -4
Exactly why I dislike you. I doubt you'll actually be able to even get started. If you DO manage to, then it'll probably be full of terrible names and generic anthems and road names and river names and lake names and mountain names... This will be fun! I'm not good at drawing maps, so I'll have to find out how to do that, but I'm good at thinking through the consequences of everything other than my own actions. Did you read the edit I did to that post? |
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