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Post by Bannanachair on Apr 17, 2019 18:56:02 GMT -4
You know, the arguments on that thread actually seem kind of tame compared to what I see on the internet nowadays. Also, I saw the name "TheLegoGamerDude1" and really wanted to stop reading. Oh god, the fucking chromosome argument was used in that thread. It is the easiest shit in the world to debunk - gendered pronouns have existed for much longer than we've known about chromosomes, and so therefore do not refer to whether you have XX or XY chromosomes but rather refer to the gender performance of the individual who is being referenced by the pronouns. Nobody does a full DNA sequence to figure out what chromosomes the person they're talking with have, and it's not like we have a separate pronoun for all the various chromosomal disorders that you mentioned in the thread. There were bad arguments on the thread other than the chromosome one, but god, that argument is just so fucking easy to dismantle that I hate myself for not having done it at the time. |
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Post by happysupercooldude99 on Apr 17, 2019 18:58:22 GMT -4
I know it's there. The town isn't 'progressive' (there aren't really any LGBTQ+ people that I've seen, possibly excluding some tourists, but that doesn't count) and there are no movements, including ones that involve Canadian politics (we're sort of isolated). I don't think I need to research the intricacies of my hometown, which I've been living in for almost all of my life, to see if there's any form of oppression. The only problems that flare up around here are about the environment, since companies try to build hotels and complexes in beautiful forested areas and parks ALL THE TIME. I can't answer why the town is like this, but I really don't feel like getting involved in an issue that doesn't apply to the area I live/have lived in. I'd rather spend my single chance at life here in a more quiet demeanor, and as long as everyone else I know does this too, then I'm not changing sides or joining the argument. You've never seen any LGBTQ+ people in your town, or the only LGBTQ+ people in your town are closeted due to social stigmatisation (which your current attitude contributes towards), etc.? There's a huge difference there. But yeah, environmental activism is totally cool as well. You need to stop the corporations from cutting down three trees to build a hotel, while simultaneously ignoring the systematic destruction of many major rainforests around the world. And it's not like you can't be an activist for multiple causes simultaneously - you need to focus solely on your own town's environmental issues. Tim, it's clear you didn't get my message. If an LGBTQ+ person was to join my class tomorrow, I wouldn't engage in any form of stigmatization against the person. In fact, if their civil rights were clearly compromised, then I would be open to switching sides. But this doesn't happen, and I don't see any form of reason to do so until it eventually does. Additionally, I've always been taught to mind my own business, and I think it's fair to assume most other people have too. I don't care if people want me to get involved in outside affairs regarding things that don't even happen in our province/country; it doesn't apply to me, anybody I care for, or anybody who cares about me, and I know it doesn't. Finally, it's unfair to refer to the town's environmental destruction as "cutting down three trees". You don't live there and you haven't seen any of what we've faced. I have really nice childhood memories of forests and locations which either already are or are soon to be replaced with structural developments. I don't want to get in an even more heated dispute about this. I went in believing this could be talked about calmly (I have a vegan friend who we commonly debate peacefully with, and both sides raise a lot of good questions, so it's affected my perception of people), but this was clearly incorrect. |
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Post by Bannanachair on Apr 17, 2019 19:07:56 GMT -4
You've never seen any LGBTQ+ people in your town, or the only LGBTQ+ people in your town are closeted due to social stigmatisation (which your current attitude contributes towards), etc.? There's a huge difference there. But yeah, environmental activism is totally cool as well. You need to stop the corporations from cutting down three trees to build a hotel, while simultaneously ignoring the systematic destruction of many major rainforests around the world. And it's not like you can't be an activist for multiple causes simultaneously - you need to focus solely on your own town's environmental issues. Tim, it's clear you didn't get my message. If an LGBTQ+ person was to join my class tomorrow, I wouldn't engage in any form of stigmatization against the person. In fact, if their civil rights were clearly compromised, then I would be open to switching sides. But this doesn't happen, and I don't see any form of reason to do so until it eventually does. Additionally, I've always been taught to mind my own business, and I think it's fair to assume most other people have too. I don't care if people want me to get involved in outside affairs regarding things that don't even happen in our province/country; it doesn't apply to me, anybody I care for, or anybody who cares about me, and I know it doesn't. Finally, it's unfair to refer to the town's environmental destruction as "cutting down three trees". You don't live there and you haven't seen any of what we've faced. I have really nice childhood memories of forests and locations which either already are or are soon to be replaced with structural developments. I don't want to get in an even more heated dispute about this. I went in believing this could be talked about calmly (I have a vegan friend who we commonly debate peacefully with, and both sides raise a lot of good questions, so it's affected my perception of people), but this was clearly incorrect. Okay, yeah, it was a dick move on my behalf to belittle your town's environmental issues - I'm not there, so I don't know, etc., and I do agree with you that nature should be preserved when possible. I won't walk back my criticisms of what is essentially your "don't ask, don't tell" attitude towards LGBTQ+ individuals, however. In the west (which I'll define as NATO and the EU), the biggest issue facing LGBTQ+ people generally isn't legal discrimination but societal stigmatisation. You'll have people who, despite the legality of who they are, are forced to remain in the closet by a bigoted society, bigoted family and bigoted friends (see the thread that Purring provided if you want just one example). You don't need to organise a pride parade for your town, but... Actually, do that, that's a pretty good idea and it will make it much easier for any closeted individuals in your town to come out. But if you're unwilling or unable, possibly because you're too lazy (like me!), then at least be vocal about your opinions on LGBTQ+ rights to make people feel less isolated. |
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Post by happysupercooldude99 on Apr 17, 2019 19:18:10 GMT -4
Tim, it's clear you didn't get my message. If an LGBTQ+ person was to join my class tomorrow, I wouldn't engage in any form of stigmatization against the person. In fact, if their civil rights were clearly compromised, then I would be open to switching sides. But this doesn't happen, and I don't see any form of reason to do so until it eventually does. Additionally, I've always been taught to mind my own business, and I think it's fair to assume most other people have too. I don't care if people want me to get involved in outside affairs regarding things that don't even happen in our province/country; it doesn't apply to me, anybody I care for, or anybody who cares about me, and I know it doesn't. Finally, it's unfair to refer to the town's environmental destruction as "cutting down three trees". You don't live there and you haven't seen any of what we've faced. I have really nice childhood memories of forests and locations which either already are or are soon to be replaced with structural developments. I don't want to get in an even more heated dispute about this. I went in believing this could be talked about calmly (I have a vegan friend who we commonly debate peacefully with, and both sides raise a lot of good questions, so it's affected my perception of people), but this was clearly incorrect. Okay, yeah, it was a dick move on my behalf to belittle your town's environmental issues - I'm not there, so I don't know, etc., and I do agree with you that nature should be preserved when possible. I won't walk back my criticisms of what is essentially your "don't ask, don't tell" attitude towards LGBTQ+ individuals, however. In the west (which I'll define as NATO and the EU), the biggest issue facing LGBTQ+ people generally isn't legal discrimination but societal stigmatisation. You'll have people who, despite the legality of who they are, are forced to remain in the closet by a bigoted society, bigoted family and bigoted friends (see the thread that Purring provided if you want just one example). You don't need to organise a pride parade for your town, but... Actually, do that, that's a pretty good idea and it will make it much easier for any closeted individuals in your town to come out. But if you're unwilling or unable, possibly because you're too lazy (like me!), then at least be vocal about your opinions on LGBTQ+ rights to make people feel less isolated. Thanks for the reiteration on the environmental thing. (Funnily enough, the corporations aren't the reason the main forests are getting chopped down -- instead, a Chinese family who owns a super-private, super restricted-access mansion just bought a huge swathe of forest and are planning to develop it). And as for the second part, fair enough. I understand what you're trying to say; I guess it could be a mission of mine to be more open about such issues. |
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Post by Bannanachair on Apr 17, 2019 19:28:21 GMT -4
Okay, yeah, it was a dick move on my behalf to belittle your town's environmental issues - I'm not there, so I don't know, etc., and I do agree with you that nature should be preserved when possible. I won't walk back my criticisms of what is essentially your "don't ask, don't tell" attitude towards LGBTQ+ individuals, however. In the west (which I'll define as NATO and the EU), the biggest issue facing LGBTQ+ people generally isn't legal discrimination but societal stigmatisation. You'll have people who, despite the legality of who they are, are forced to remain in the closet by a bigoted society, bigoted family and bigoted friends (see the thread that Purring provided if you want just one example). You don't need to organise a pride parade for your town, but... Actually, do that, that's a pretty good idea and it will make it much easier for any closeted individuals in your town to come out. But if you're unwilling or unable, possibly because you're too lazy (like me!), then at least be vocal about your opinions on LGBTQ+ rights to make people feel less isolated. Thanks for the reiteration on the environmental thing. (Funnily enough, the corporations aren't the reason the main forests are getting chopped down -- instead, a Chinese family who owns a super-private, super restricted-access mansion just bought a huge swathe of forest and are planning to develop it). And as for the second part, fair enough. I understand what you're trying to say; I guess it could be a mission of mine to be more open about such issues. Well, I was kind of hoping for an argument, so while this is technically a good turn of events, I'm also kind of disappointed. What are your thoughts on the Venezuela situation? |
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Post by happysupercooldude99 on Apr 17, 2019 19:32:40 GMT -4
Thanks for the reiteration on the environmental thing. (Funnily enough, the corporations aren't the reason the main forests are getting chopped down -- instead, a Chinese family who owns a super-private, super restricted-access mansion just bought a huge swathe of forest and are planning to develop it). And as for the second part, fair enough. I understand what you're trying to say; I guess it could be a mission of mine to be more open about such issues. Well, I was kind of hoping for an argument, so while this is technically a good turn of events, I'm also kind of disappointed. What are your thoughts on the Venezuela situation? Are you talking about the total economic crash and the corrupt governments and stuff? I haven't kept up to date with the news as of recently, so I may need to be reminded. |
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Post by Bannanachair on Apr 17, 2019 19:33:23 GMT -4
Well, I was kind of hoping for an argument, so while this is technically a good turn of events, I'm also kind of disappointed. What are your thoughts on the Venezuela situation? Are you talking about the total economic crash and the corrupt governments and stuff? I haven't kept up to date with the news as of recently, so I may need to be reminded. The recent elections, the Guaido stuff, international aid being refused, etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 20:20:56 GMT -4
Thanks for the reiteration on the environmental thing. (Funnily enough, the corporations aren't the reason the main forests are getting chopped down -- instead, a Chinese family who owns a super-private, super restricted-access mansion just bought a huge swathe of forest and are planning to develop it). And as for the second part, fair enough. I understand what you're trying to say; I guess it could be a mission of mine to be more open about such issues. Well, I was kind of hoping for an argument, so while this is technically a good turn of events, I'm also kind of disappointed. What are your thoughts on the Venezuela situation? Don't derail the thread, please. You can have a separate thread if you want to open up random debates. |
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Post by happysupercooldude99 on Apr 18, 2019 0:37:43 GMT -4
Are you talking about the total economic crash and the corrupt governments and stuff? I haven't kept up to date with the news as of recently, so I may need to be reminded. The recent elections, the Guaido stuff, international aid being refused, etc. I don't know. It sounds like Venezuela certainly isn't a place any person would want to live in; but I'm sure it'll die down and quietly get resolved in a matter of months, as per usual breaking news stories. |
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Post by Tikobe on Apr 18, 2019 5:51:37 GMT -4
I read the first five pages of that nine page thread.
I stopped because my head started hurting.
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Post by happysupercooldude99 on Apr 18, 2019 10:41:28 GMT -4
I read the first five pages of that nine page thread. I stopped because my head started hurting. I'm amazed by how well Baron kept his/her/idk cool despite the armada of idiots closing in on the thread. And then Pruz came in and started being Pruz, and then it crumbled apart down to gibberish. |
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