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devforum.roblox.com/t/robloxs-moderation-needs-to-be-fixed/143524/49

[Bannanachair]

ROBLOX is a cesspit of vitriol and toxicity, and its moderators are the worst of them all for not only failing to deal with that on a kid's computer game website but for actually making it all worse. I don't know why I didn't realise that while I was using their forums, but hindsight is twenty/twenty, I suppose. Basically, I'm glad that they're finally starting to deal with it, but it's too little too late and they've lost me and many other formerly paying customers over this crap.

Frankly, I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, thank god they're trying to deal with it. On the other hand, I was kind of hoping that ROBLOX would just collapse, with all of their former top developers actually entering the gaming market on their own. Seriously, without them suckering people our age and younger into doing their jobs for them (game developers, community managers and curators, graphics designers, etc.) they would have nothing.

[Tikobe]

That comment though.

They probably did listen. They probably aren't going to fix it.

Actually, what stood out as more concerning was the beginning of this thread which I read through.

"it seems like if the original mod is confident about your ban (no matter how incorrect it is), appeals won’t bother to review it any further"

Is he trying to say that no one's moderating the mods? That if one mod is insistent on the punishment that's just how it's gonna be?

If he is and if he's correct (I haven't seen anything for sure) then of course the mods are gonna go crazy. If you don't manage a group that group will start misbehaving.

Observe the Stanford Prison Experiment, which was an interesting concept for sure but it went terribly wrong because there was no proper oversight over the experiment's participants.

Granted, comparing the two may be a bit of a stretch in terms of severity, but the basic point stands: Moderations needs moderation.

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Dec 9, 2018 17:28:21 GMT -4 Tikobe said:

That comment though.

They probably did listen. They probably aren't going to fix it.

Actually, what stood out as more concerning was the beginning of this thread which I read through.

"it seems like if the original mod is confident about your ban (no matter how incorrect it is), appeals won’t bother to review it any further"

Is he trying to say that no one's moderating the mods? That if one mod is insistent on the punishment that's just how it's gonna be?

If he is and if he's correct (I haven't seen anything for sure) then of course the mods are gonna go crazy. If you don't manage a group that group will start misbehaving.

Observe the Stanford Prison Experiment, which was an interesting concept for sure but it went terribly wrong because there was no proper oversight over the experiment's participants.

Granted, comparing the two may be a bit of a stretch in terms of severity, but the basic point stands: Moderations needs moderation.

Agreed.

[Bannanachair]

Dec 9, 2018 17:28:21 GMT -4 Tikobe said:

That comment though.

They probably did listen. They probably aren't going to fix it.

Actually, what stood out as more concerning was the beginning of this thread which I read through.

"it seems like if the original mod is confident about your ban (no matter how incorrect it is), appeals won’t bother to review it any further"

Is he trying to say that no one's moderating the mods? That if one mod is insistent on the punishment that's just how it's gonna be?

If he is and if he's correct (I haven't seen anything for sure) then of course the mods are gonna go crazy. If you don't manage a group that group will start misbehaving.

Observe the Stanford Prison Experiment, which was an interesting concept for sure but it went terribly wrong because there was no proper oversight over the experiment's participants.

Granted, comparing the two may be a bit of a stretch in terms of severity, but the basic point stands: Moderations needs moderation.

Also the entire process of mod appeals somehow relies upon the person who made the bad decision to begin with being the one to deal with the appeal. There's a reason that police don't handle their own police brutality cases (all evidence that I gathered shows that this black guy I shot totally deserved it and I didn't kill him because of racism) - there's a reason that such cases aren't handled by ordinary police at all but rather by a separate organization.

[Tikobe]

Dec 9, 2018 21:30:37 GMT -4 Bannanachair said:

Dec 9, 2018 17:28:21 GMT -4 Tikobe said:

That comment though.

They probably did listen. They probably aren't going to fix it.

Actually, what stood out as more concerning was the beginning of this thread which I read through.

"it seems like if the original mod is confident about your ban (no matter how incorrect it is), appeals won’t bother to review it any further"

Is he trying to say that no one's moderating the mods? That if one mod is insistent on the punishment that's just how it's gonna be?

If he is and if he's correct (I haven't seen anything for sure) then of course the mods are gonna go crazy. If you don't manage a group that group will start misbehaving.

Observe the Stanford Prison Experiment, which was an interesting concept for sure but it went terribly wrong because there was no proper oversight over the experiment's participants.

Granted, comparing the two may be a bit of a stretch in terms of severity, but the basic point stands: Moderations needs moderation.

Also the entire process of mod appeals somehow relies upon the person who made the bad decision to begin with being the one to deal with the appeal. There's a reason that police don't handle their own police brutality cases (all evidence that I gathered shows that this black guy I shot totally deserved it and I didn't kill him because of racism) - there's a reason that such cases aren't handled by ordinary police at all but rather by a separate organization.

I was about to point out the separate organization before you mentioned that.

One of my professors for Criminal Justice used to work in there some time ago apparently. He also used to work for the NCIS as well.

He also makes us do essay finals which need a couple hundred words and three sources for every question and if you fail to meet the minimum requirements you get a 0 for the question. You also have to do these finals in one sitting with a 5 hour time limit to finish it with.

I don't like Professor NCIS's finals.

[Bannanachair]

Dec 9, 2018 23:27:00 GMT -4 Tikobe said:

Dec 9, 2018 21:30:37 GMT -4 Bannanachair said:

Also the entire process of mod appeals somehow relies upon the person who made the bad decision to begin with being the one to deal with the appeal. There's a reason that police don't handle their own police brutality cases (all evidence that I gathered shows that this black guy I shot totally deserved it and I didn't kill him because of racism) - there's a reason that such cases aren't handled by ordinary police at all but rather by a separate organization.

I was about to point out the separate organization before you mentioned that.

One of my professors for Criminal Justice used to work in there some time ago apparently. He also used to work for the NCIS as well.

He also makes us do essay finals which need a couple hundred words and three sources for every question and if you fail to meet the minimum requirements you get a 0 for the question. You also have to do these finals in one sitting with a 5 hour time limit to finish it with.

I don't like Professor NCIS's finals.

Dude, you'd hate the Singaporean education system. 100% of the grade is in the final exams, which account for 100% of the grade of what can sometimes be a two-year highschool course. I dealt with over 26 hours of testing (thankfully only 3 or 4 hours a day) last year and when I swapped over to the British exams this year I thankfully only had 12 hours.

[hhh]

To me it seems like the devforum isn't exactly representative of the actual userbase opinion on Roblox, since all of the people that use it are game developers and thus love the platform. Meanwhile, many people (mainly those who don't use the devforum) don't like the game.

[Bannanachair]

Dec 11, 2018 14:55:35 GMT -4 hhh said:

To me it seems like the devforum isn't exactly representative of the actual userbase opinion on Roblox, since all of the people that use it are game developers and thus love the platform. Meanwhile, many people (mainly those who don't use the devforum) don't like the game.

I think that people who are on ROBLOX in general are biased to like ROBLOX more strongly than the general population because most people who don't like it have long since given up on the platform.

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Dec 11, 2018 14:55:35 GMT -4 hhh said:

To me it seems like the devforum isn't exactly representative of the actual userbase opinion on Roblox, since all of the people that use it are game developers and thus love the platform. Meanwhile, many people (mainly those who don't use the devforum) don't like the game.

Just because someone develops games on Roblox doesn't mean they love the platform, especially not unconditionally. If anything, they're likely to be more familiar with the faults of the platform because they work with it so often. And, agreeing with what tim said, the parts of the userbase that don't like roblox stop being part of the actual userbase because they stop playing it.