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Post by Bannanachair on Jun 9, 2015 11:44:17 GMT -4
Alright, so I watched ViHart's recent video on gender just a few hours ago, and that got my mind thinking. ViHart said that she never thought of herself as a girl and thought that gender wasn't a defining aspect, and I realized that, changing "girl" for "boy" and maybe to a somewhat lesser extent, I feel roughly the same way. I recognize a difference between male and female psychology, but I never thought of it as a major, defining aspect of one's personality. The video, by the way, will be presented just below.
So, that made me wonder, what does Bannanachair identify as? What group or physical feature or interest do you think is the most influential factor in defining who you are? I guess I've known for a while that being a ROBLOX RPer and now a Bannanachair is my most defining feature in my personality, but what of you guys? And, for another thing relating to the video, do you think that gender is an appropriate thing to base people's personality off of?
Pawz, I know you missed these philosophical discussions, so you're welcome, in advance.
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Post by Pawzkat on Jun 9, 2015 11:53:13 GMT -4
In my opinion, the most defining factor of a person shouldn't be their gender. Sure, there's a stereotypical personalty attached. But just because they are a male, or a female, doesn't mean they have to follow the traits attached to said label. Physical developments shouldn't matter. It goes deeper than that.
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Post by Bannanachair on Jun 9, 2015 11:56:15 GMT -4
In my opinion, the most defining factor of a person shouldn't be their gender. Sure, there's a stereotypical personalty attached. But just because they are a male, or a female, doesn't mean they have to follow the traits attached to said label. Physical developments shouldn't matter. It goes deeper than that. You didn't answer my other question - Who do you identify as? |
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Post by Bannanachair on Jun 9, 2015 12:03:05 GMT -4
Truthfully? I actually prefer they/them or sometimes he/him pronouns to she/her. I wouldn't correct someone if they referred to me as she/her, however. They/them is plural, not singular. But you misunderstand my question; of everything about you, what defines you? Is it your gender? Another physical feature? The company you keep? If the company you keep, which company (as undoubtedly you'd be a different person if you identified as a Bannanachair than if you identified with the group of friends you hang with in real life)? |
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Post by Pawzkat on Jun 9, 2015 12:09:14 GMT -4
Oh, xD. Well, what about decisions.
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Post by Bannanachair on Jun 9, 2015 12:10:11 GMT -4
Oh, xD. Well, what about decisions. Anything counts. |
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Post by Pawzkat on Jun 9, 2015 12:13:12 GMT -4
I'm hands-in for decisions. What you decided defines you. Whether it's a physical action, or choosing something to say.
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Post by Bannanachair on Jun 9, 2015 12:18:38 GMT -4
I'm hands-in for decisions. What you decided defines you. Whether it's a physical action, or choosing something to say. I meant one individual thing. It could be a decision you made (For instance, choosing Bannanachair over ROBLOX when presented the opportunity) as well as anything that I previously mentioned. |
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Post by Pawzkat on Jun 9, 2015 12:20:58 GMT -4
Ahhh.
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Post by Wack on Jun 9, 2015 14:34:13 GMT -4
I feel gender is a very important aspect in defining who you are. I'll admit, I treat people differently depending on where or not they are a boy, or a girl. A guy I can put my guard down with, and screw around like with my tard card. However, with Girls I feel like I must always be at a certain level of formality, and have to treat them much like a delicate rose. I always feel like with a girl, I need to impress them, and with a dude, I couldn't give half a shit what they thought of me, and just be me.
That said, the biggest thing that defines who I am? My mistakes. They led to me getting stronger, and shaped a lot of who I am, who I'm not, and who I hang out with. My wrong-doings are the most defining quality about me.
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Post by hygenisthygenist on Jun 9, 2015 17:32:58 GMT -4
I don't hate and/or fear transpeople or whatever, to me it seems like something in need of treatment. Like a mental illness. And I don't use those word freely, I'm medicated for several co-morbid mental illnesses. Homosexuality isn't though, because it's not really maladaptive. Transsexualism? That's definitely maladaptive. I could go into detail and explain my points but I'll do that only if we end up getting into an argument or if you otherwise request me to. To save on time, of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 17:35:04 GMT -4
yikes
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Post by hygenisthygenist on Jun 9, 2015 17:37:10 GMT -4
Was that yikes directed at me? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 17:39:45 GMT -4
look id definitely talk about why that's really wrong but i dont wanna cause more trouble than i already have. i told coriandr off because he was a definite transphobe using "logic" as his reason why trans people don't exist and the dude stalked me in every place in every thread and took every opportunity to mock me and talk about how stupid i am and basically try to make everyone hate me
so
maybe?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 20:59:51 GMT -4
Well, when I'm around both girls and guys, because of my social anxiety, it is hard to talk to them easily without getting comfortable talking to them, which takes a while. But for guys, it takes a little bit more then a while to get comfortable with talking to them, which I don't understand why. But, since I'm a tomboy, I prefer to be around guys then I do girls, because I understand guy humour, guy talk, etc. But girls tend to be too dramatic or emotional, which I don't like dealing with since unlike girls, I'm not dramatic, emotional, I don't have mood swings, and I don't gossip, like the usual girl does.
So, yeah.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 21:25:55 GMT -4
"But girls tend to be too dramatic or emotional, which I don't like dealing with since unlike girls, I'm not dramatic, emotional, I don't have mood swings, and I don't gossip, like the usual girl does.
So, yeah."
seems like ur talking about me lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 21:34:26 GMT -4
"But girls tend to be too dramatic or emotional, which I don't like dealing with since unlike girls, I'm not dramatic, emotional, I don't have mood swings, and I don't gossip, like the usual girl does. So, yeah." seems like ur talking about me lol You seem fine to me, really. :L |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 22:35:36 GMT -4
A bannanachair is a bannanachair.
meanwhile I think that defining people just by their x and y (or lack thereof) chromosomes is stupid, because that's really what it boils down to and I'm pretty sure that genes define your personality. some things might effect it, but it's not like there's a magical personality gene that directs who you are. you are who you are and who you are is up to you.
meanwhile I think that trying to become something you're not and cannot be is something very dangerous, confusing, and probably painful.
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Post by Slacktivist on Jun 9, 2015 22:56:09 GMT -4
I don't hate and/or fear transpeople or whatever, to me it seems like something in need of treatment. Like a mental illness. And I don't use those word freely, I'm medicated for several co-morbid mental illnesses. Homosexuality isn't though, because it's not really maladaptive. Transsexualism? That's definitely maladaptive. I could go into detail and explain my points but I'll do that only if we end up getting into an argument or if you otherwise request me to. To save on time, of course. Explain, because to me right now you look like a bit of a bigoted asshole. |
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Post by Bannanachair on Jun 9, 2015 23:09:44 GMT -4
I feel gender is a very important aspect in defining who you are. I'll admit, I treat people differently depending on where or not they are a boy, or a girl. A guy I can put my guard down with, and screw around like with my tard card. However, with Girls I feel like I must always be at a certain level of formality, and have to treat them much like a delicate rose. I always feel like with a girl, I need to impress them, and with a dude, I couldn't give half a shit what they thought of me, and just be me. That said, the biggest thing that defines who I am? My mistakes. They led to me getting stronger, and shaped a lot of who I am, who I'm not, and who I hang out with. My wrong-doings are the most defining quality about me. The only situation in which I behave differently around girls is when I intend to get in a fight, and that's only because there's an additional 2 years that can be added onto a prison sentence if I attack a female as opposed to attacking a male, not to mention that punching for the lungs to try to knock the breath out of them and help me win the fight can be misinterpreted by the courts as sexual assault, leading to an even longer prison sentence. |
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Post by hygenisthygenist on Jun 9, 2015 23:10:04 GMT -4
How is saying someone has a mental illness bigotry, exactly? I don't speak out of hatred or anything. I have several mental illnesses. I am just concerned when someone says they want to transition because of depression or disgust at the body they are born into.
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Post by Slacktivist on Jun 9, 2015 23:19:19 GMT -4
I don't see how transsexuality is a mental illness, though. Sorry for the insult.
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Post by Craxian on Jun 9, 2015 23:34:33 GMT -4
If we're talking about self identification
Then I identify as a male
While I, being a hetero male, sometimes display different feelings towards members of the opposite gender
I think that what should identify you the most is
The type of choices you make, I guess
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Post by hygenisthygenist on Jun 9, 2015 23:35:37 GMT -4
I don't see how transsexuality is a mental illness, though. Sorry for the insult. No problem. I could see how at first glance what I said could come off as bigotry. The three characteristics of mental disorders were, as taught to me by my AP Psych teacher: 1. Abnormality - Basically, the behavior is not very common. 2. Distress - This just means that the behavior causes the sufferer extreme negative feelings. That's the best way I can put this. 3. Dysfunction/Danger - It could result in harm to oneself or others. Now, I know what you might be thinking: "I can see how the first two fit transexualism, but what about the third?" Transexualism's danger, to me, lies in the surgery/hormone treatments/other things done to transition. You could end up doing serious harm to yourself with this stuff, and with a low likelihood of net gain. |
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Post by Slacktivist on Jun 9, 2015 23:58:27 GMT -4
The first characteristic I can agree with, and while I'm not sure about the second one, it can make sense. But a lot of transsexuals don't choose to undergo treatment, and even if they do, it's not like they're doing things like cutting themselves. The treatment doesn't really cause direct harm, I think.
With those three characteristics listed, transphobia would also qualify as a disorder. Unlike transsexuality, though, it often does pose danger. Hate crimes and all. Doesn't have much to do with the actual topic, but I felt like I'd point that out.
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