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Post by Bannanachair on Apr 29, 2017 12:10:15 GMT -4
Okay, so this thread is going to be making two assumptions which I hope that everyone agrees can be made relatively safely: Newborn infants and young children have their clothes exclusively chosen by their parents (generally their mothers, plus an oversized T-Shirt from their dad for their birthday every year) and that fully-functioning adults in their mid-30s buy their own clothing. From there it is a simple matter to deduce that there is some point in which infants/teens/adults buy their own clothing instead of relying upon their parents for it. I'm relatively curious as to when you guys crossed that age threshold, or if you haven't yet (and if you haven't, your current age and the age at which you think you will).
Personally, and this may surprise some of you a tiny bit, I only started buying my own clothing in late December last year and January this year and it has improved my life somewhat (and I haven't needed to buy anything since). My story is actually rather funny as well, and actually likely the exact opposite of what most people likely go through (I'll explain my own story these few paragraphs and then what I think the "typical" experience is with people first choosing their own attire afterwards). Up until December my clothing consisted entirely of picture T-Shirts and jeans, which I wore because I was unaware that there were any affordable alternatives. Yes, I always preferred the aesthetic of a suit, which is why I dressed my ROBLOX avatar in one for so many years, but I always thought that suits were significantly more expensive and fragile than they actually are, not to mention the fact that the media for the past sixty, nearly seventy, years has tried to convince everyone that suits and ties are uncomfortable. My mother purchased a cheap $100 suit from Zara for me and a green necktie in early December for an event in late December and despite the fact that it was directly off-the-rack (complete with a fake pocket square) it felt more comfortable and natural on me than a T-Shirt and jeans look. Since then I have not gone a day without putting on a necktie.
At school there's a strict dress code but no uniform, per se - navy trousers and a white shirt with a collar are the only guidelines, and (as I found out early this year by asking my teacher) ties, jackets, vests, v-necks, etc. are allowed though by no means mandatory (in fact, I'm the only person in my entire school who even knows what a sports jacket is). I've been getting significantly better service when going out since I started dressing myself instead of having my mother dictate my wardrobe. My dad cares about as much about what I wear as he does about basically anything in my life (that is, very little, as long as I get good grades). The only three times I'll go without wearing a tie are when I'm wearing pajamas, when I'm showering and when I'm playing golf (though if I start swimming again that will be another instance when I'm not wearing a tie). Noticing the positive effects out and about from wearing a tie and a jacket I decided to do some research into this stuff and I now have about ten neckties, five pocket squares, one sports jacket, one cashmere v-neck sweater (jackets and sweaters are expensive!) and that cheap suit from Zara that my mother got me, plus about eight to ten different white shirts and about three or four blue shirts and a few pairs of trousers.
Ironically the only negative backlash from this is from my mother, who started me on this path in the first place by buying me that cheap suit, by somehow managing to turn what I wear on weekends into a power struggle. My mother regularly tells me that what I wear is "too formal" for weekends and implores me to take off my tie to better dress casually despite the fact that that goes against the very nature of what the terms "formal" and "casual" mean. You see, the very essence of something being casual is that it's meant to not take extraneous effort or be uncomfortable for any parties involved, and in wearing a necktie I am in no way forcing other people to do likewise. However, despite that, my mother behaves like a lunatic, continually yelling and screaming at me, and for the past six months blaming the fact that I find neckties comfortable (though before that there were a variety of other reasons). In fact, earlier today my mother gave me a crew-neck shirt (also from Zara) with long sleeves and a bit around the neckline that makes it look like it's worn on top of a T-Shirt and told me to wear that because it's both "fashionable" and "casual". It was such an incredibly thin shirt that I am legitimately surprised that it was able to itch that much and I ended up taking it off after twenty minutes and putting it in a box marked for donations it itched so much. My mother then yelled at me for being "ungrateful" because apparently that shirt cost $60, or about twice as much as most shirts that I own that are much more comfortable (though, in fairness, I did buy all my clothing on sale in Australia where it's cheap for the level of quality while my mother purchased that terrible shirt in Singapore presumably at full price).
Now, I mentioned earlier that I think that what I did is the exact opposite of what most people do when they become in charge of their own clothing and I would like to quickly elaborate. My theory is that parents dress their kids in more formal clothing (polos and sweaters instead of tees and hoodies) and that kids reject older, more formal styles of clothing in favour of newer, more casual styles - i.e. rejecting functional pants in favour of ripped jeans, rejecting button-downs in favour of hoodies, etc.. On the other hand, I was rejecting new styles of clothing in favour of older, traditionally more formal clothing - replacing T-Shirts with dress shirts (plus a tie), jeans with trousers, pleated khakis and chinos, flannel shirt-jackets with a medium grey worsted sport jacket. I'd go on an existential tangent about counter-counter-culture and about how youth rebellion since the '90s has been rebellion for rebellion's sake as opposed to rebellion for social change as in previous decades (Vietnam, Civil Rights, etc.) but I really can't be bothered.
I'll just finish by asking a few questions. First, I'll reiterate my opening question in case you forgot - how old were you when you started choosing your own clothes instead of wearing whatever your parents got for you to wear? Or, if you haven't started choosing your own clothes, when do you think you'll begin? A few more general clothing-related questions will follow which I haven't asked in my opening paragraph but which I'm curious about as well. What are your school's clothing guidelines (or, alternately, what's the uniform like)? Have you ever been annoyed by people telling you that you dress to formally on weekends, or is that just me who's had that unique experience? Finally, why do people find neckties uncomfortable? I've heard people say that they're uncomfortable before but I've never felt any discomfort in wearing a necktie.
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Post by Tikobe on Apr 29, 2017 14:29:17 GMT -4
1) No clue. I just have been choosing my own clothes. Or at least, when I'm with my mom's side of the family. My stepmom, while I'm visiting my dad that is, never accepted my favorite style and just had us stand in Aristotle micro-managing all of the shirts and stuff. Was never a fan of that.
2) My college has no guidelines (We've had people come to class in nurse outfits and such), and the second of the two high schools I've gone to didn't even have a uniform (We even used to have "spirit weeks" where we came to high school dressed in a certain theme; There's nothing more amusing than sitting in class dressed as Darth Vader). The first high school did have a uniform, and it was regular or navy blue khakis with a white, blue or yellow polo shirt. Even then, as long as we didn't die our hair crazy colors and wore a inch thick layer of make-up, we were fine wearing jewelry and coats and stuff. I wore a black coat with a little wire bracelet (What? It was blue and had my zodiac sign).
3) No. Not really. No one cares. The only care they give was when I wear polos and button-ups, judging from the fact that whenever I wore those I was told it looked nice on me.
4) No clue. I like them. I just don't wear them because I have this thing where I spin string-like things around and play with them. It happens naturally, I can't control it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 15:54:36 GMT -4
I had nothing to do else that I wanted to do I'll make an actual reply later
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 18:13:33 GMT -4
How old were you when you started choosing your own clothes instead of wearing whatever your parents got for you to wear? It's been gradual. I'm still trying to convince her that guy clothing is generally more practical, fits better, and makes more sense than girl clothes, and am making very slow progress. One day, I hope, I can retire the ill-fitting pieces of trash I've gotten at Salvation Army (Mom insists on shopping there for 90% of clothes, and won't buy new unless we really need it, so I've learned to just stop asking for clothes because that store sucks ass) and replace it all with clothing I actually like. For the past few years she's done this thing where, before school starts, she takes my brother and I (the only two remaining who have yet to become adults) to the store to buy us two, maybe three things per person, new, and that's pretty much it until next year unless there's a good sale or she needs something. Not very strict, but there are some nitpicky bits that the securiry guards yell at you nonstop for, like having a hood or a hat on, for example. Can't wear booty shorts, but once it's warm enough to wear them, a lot of people get away with it. Every once in a while they'll yell at you for wearing a tanktop, but I've worn them on multiple occasions and haven't gotten in trouble. Granted, I wear a hoodie in the hallways, and that's the place the security guards are, so that's probably why they haven't yelled at me yet, but I'm not sure they'd yell at me even if they did see me wearing a tanktop. I mean, I've walked around school before with about an inch worth of my bra showing all day, and nobody even noticed (or cared). So I guess with these guards you can just never tell. No. My mom thinks I'll be made fun of for various aspects of how I choose to appear (Not just clothing, but other things, too, like unshaven legs or not wearing makeup even on special occasions), but no one's ever seemed to notice or care except her. I'm pretty sure she's just worried about most of that stuff because she doesn't want her religious friends (her only friends) to look down on her when they see her child doesn't abide by social norms. Or she's just afraid that another one of her children is going to "become gay." (She's worried I'll be trans like my oldest sibling, but trans=gay in her eyes.) I don't know. Maybe they make theirs too tight? I've only worn an actual tie maybe two or three times, but every now and then I'll put on a bowtie around my neck (usually for Halloween; otherwise people look at me weird and ask why I'm wearing it and I like it better when their eyes glide past me rather than ask me the same questions again and again) and it can be uncomfortable if it's too tight. But I'm just not a fan of things too tight on my neck in general, probably more so than others(?), and bowties are not the same thing as regular ties, so I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 18:16:15 GMT -4
4) No clue. I like them. I just don't wear them because I have this thing where I spin string-like things around and play with them. It happens naturally, I can't control it. Dude. Same. I play with my hoodie strings all the time.
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Post by Tikobe on Apr 29, 2017 18:24:57 GMT -4
4) No clue. I like them. I just don't wear them because I have this thing where I spin string-like things around and play with them. It happens naturally, I can't control it. Dude. Same. I play with my hoodie strings all the time. That's one of the two reasons why I stopped wearing hoodies. I'd go to auditions and do it and the people would think that it was a nervous tick of mine and they'd start telling me to calm down. The other reason was that I moved to Arizona. Our winters feel like Minnesota's summers. Wearing a hoodie in this state is the same as committing an act of suicide. And what's bad about that is that I only wish I were telling a joke.
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Post by Baise-moi on Apr 29, 2017 19:46:22 GMT -4
It's addicting.
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Post by Bannanachair on Apr 29, 2017 22:55:55 GMT -4
1) No clue. I just have been choosing my own clothes. Or at least, when I'm with my mom's side of the family. My stepmom, while I'm visiting my dad that is, never accepted my favorite style and just had us stand in Aristotle micro-managing all of the shirts and stuff. Was never a fan of that. 2) My college has no guidelines (We've had people come to class in nurse outfits and such), and the second of the two high schools I've gone to didn't even have a uniform (We even used to have "spirit weeks" where we came to high school dressed in a certain theme; There's nothing more amusing than sitting in class dressed as Darth Vader). The first high school did have a uniform, and it was regular or navy blue khakis with a white, blue or yellow polo shirt. Even then, as long as we didn't die our hair crazy colors and wore a inch thick layer of make-up, we were fine wearing jewelry and coats and stuff. I wore a black coat with a little wire bracelet (What? It was blue and had my zodiac sign). 3) No. Not really. No one cares. The only care they give was when I wear polos and button-ups, judging from the fact that whenever I wore those I was told it looked nice on me. 4) No clue. I like them. I just don't wear them because I have this thing where I spin string-like things around and play with them. It happens naturally, I can't control it. So assuming that I only know of Aristotle as the philosopher and not the store, what kind of store is it? "navy blue khakis" is an oxymoron; khakis are khaki (which is a colour). Alright, so you'll get compliments instead of yelled at for wearing what I wear on a daily basis, then. By the way, ties are extremely affordable if you get them discounted. I got my stuff while visiting family in Australia so they have all their big sales on Boxing Day and the $60 ties went for only $15; it is super easy to get affordable ties. I solved that problem relatively simply. I had nothing to do else that I wanted to do I'll make an actual reply laterWas I eating cereal with a knife and fork? How old were you when you started choosing your own clothes instead of wearing whatever your parents got for you to wear? It's been gradual. I'm still trying to convince her that guy clothing is generally more practical, fits better, and makes more sense than girl clothes, and am making very slow progress. One day, I hope, I can retire the ill-fitting pieces of trash I've gotten at Salvation Army (Mom insists on shopping there for 90% of clothes, and won't buy new unless we really need it, so I've learned to just stop asking for clothes because that store sucks ass) and replace it all with clothing I actually like. For the past few years she's done this thing where, before school starts, she takes my brother and I (the only two remaining who have yet to become adults) to the store to buy us two, maybe three things per person, new, and that's pretty much it until next year unless there's a good sale or she needs something. Not very strict, but there are some nitpicky bits that the securiry guards yell at you nonstop for, like having a hood or a hat on, for example. Can't wear booty shorts, but once it's warm enough to wear them, a lot of people get away with it. Every once in a while they'll yell at you for wearing a tanktop, but I've worn them on multiple occasions and haven't gotten in trouble. Granted, I wear a hoodie in the hallways, and that's the place the security guards are, so that's probably why they haven't yelled at me yet, but I'm not sure they'd yell at me even if they did see me wearing a tanktop. I mean, I've walked around school before with about an inch worth of my bra showing all day, and nobody even noticed (or cared). So I guess with these guards you can just never tell. No. My mom thinks I'll be made fun of for various aspects of how I choose to appear (Not just clothing, but other things, too, like unshaven legs or not wearing makeup even on special occasions), but no one's ever seemed to notice or care except her. I'm pretty sure she's just worried about most of that stuff because she doesn't want her religious friends (her only friends) to look down on her when they see her child doesn't abide by social norms. Or she's just afraid that another one of her children is going to "become gay." (She's worried I'll be trans like my oldest sibling, but trans=gay in her eyes.) I don't know. Maybe they make theirs too tight? I've only worn an actual tie maybe two or three times, but every now and then I'll put on a bowtie around my neck (usually for Halloween; otherwise people look at me weird and ask why I'm wearing it and I like it better when their eyes glide past me rather than ask me the same questions again and again) and it can be uncomfortable if it's too tight. But I'm just not a fan of things too tight on my neck in general, probably more so than others(?), and bowties are not the same thing as regular ties, so I don't know. Two things to your first paragraph. First, you know that little pocket inside of a pocket on men's trousers? It's obviously visible on jeans but it exists invisibly on other sets of trousers as well. That's for storing pocket watches. The pocket watch chain is to be looped around the belt loop. Men's clothing is often just as archaic and impractical as woman's clothing (though, that being said, at least men's clothing has pockets). Also, is the reason you buy from Salvation Army because your mother is budgeting and trying to get you through college or something, or is it just to be as stingy as possible when spending? Regardless of which one it is, bring up the fact that more expensive clothes are of higher quality cloth and construction and so will last longer. Also, is there a reason you're not allowed to spend your own money on clothing? As for your school's clothing policies, wow, they are extremely absent. If you dress up in a tanktop and booty shorts to go to school then what the hell do you wear to casual events? Nevermind, I don't think I'd find whatever it is particularly decent (hell, if I were a security guard at your school it sounds like I'd be the most overzealous one there about appropriate attire). To respond to both of the things about your mother's criticisms of your appearance that you mentioned. I haven't shaved my legs in seventeen years and nobody has seemed to care. Just wear longer skirts/dresses/trousers (I'm not sure which one you wear on regular occasions but you're a girl so you have more options for legwear than men, at least in broad categories) and nobody will notice. Hell, you should fully embrace the style of the 1910s, when a glimpse of stocking was looked on as something shocking, because clearly at your school anything goes. (Care to hazard a guess as to which song I'm listening to on spotify?). As for the thing about not wearing makeup I also don't wear makeup, but I don't know anyone who regularly does - none of the girls in my school do, for instance (though that could be due to my school's dress code not allowing it, on further thought). If you don't wear makeup you are in good company. I don't actually own any bowties. My dad has a clip-on bowtie and I want to get a bowtie but I'll need to get my neck measured and everything for that (or else get an adjustable bowtie) and that seems like too much hassle. If I ever get invited to a black tie event I'll go all-out and get something bespoke but basically nothing nowadays requires that; I've even seen people attending orchestras in Hawaiian shirts, shorts and a fanny pack (though they were exclusively American tourists who do that). 4) No clue. I like them. I just don't wear them because I have this thing where I spin string-like things around and play with them. It happens naturally, I can't control it. Dude. Same. I play with my hoodie strings all the time. I don't wear hoodies, but I do that with basically everything else - neckties, wristwatch straps, albert chains, if I'm listening to music I'll use my headphone cord, if my laptop is charging I'll use that wire and I have a number of pieces of yarn under my desk at school exclusively for that. When I don't have strings to play with, or when I'm bored of playing with strings, I'll twirl pencils and pens around or try to balance them on my nose or something. I dress elegantly but behave like a toddler.
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Post by Duck14 on Apr 30, 2017 0:01:19 GMT -4
1) Besides really early on I've always had at least some say in my own clothing. It's usually in line enough with my parent's choices that they've never really questioned my choices. So I don't really know what age I was when it started.
2) Where I am now has no dress code at all and no one seems to care what anyone else wears. I had a uniform in highschool though which some people related to pajamas. It was a blue striped shirt with black shorts. We also needed white socks and polished black shoes.
3) I usually wear polos and no one really takes notice. I doubt anyone around here would care unless I wore something so outlandishly horrid that they were blinded by looking in my general direction. My parents like formal/classy looking clothes but generally don't care what I wear unless we're going to a formal gathering.
4) I've only got one necktie which I haven't worn all that often. Though I've never felt uncomfortable while wearing it.
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Post by Tikobe on Apr 30, 2017 1:33:54 GMT -4
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Post by Tikobe on Apr 30, 2017 1:34:41 GMT -4
Do not ask how I managed to do this. I'll just give up on what I tried to post.
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Post by Bannanachair on Apr 30, 2017 2:08:55 GMT -4
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Post by Tikobe on Apr 30, 2017 2:23:38 GMT -4
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Post by Bannanachair on Apr 30, 2017 2:25:58 GMT -4
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 14:37:04 GMT -4
I had nothing to do else that I wanted to do I'll make an actual reply laterWas I eating cereal with a knife and fork? It was actually a badly drawn spoon, not a knife Not just pockets, but pockets you can fit your hands into! Even a phone fits! Amazing! Also, the sizing is more consistent and makes more sense. For ladies, it's Small, Smaller, Really Small, and oh look there's a baggy ill-fitting one at the back. I'm exaggerating, but only a little. To the first two questions: Not quite. She's trying to save money wherever she can because dad often gets mad when she spends money and she needs to defend herself with "But look how much I saved!" and "We needed these!" Which is really stupid when you think about it, because dad will just go out on a whim and buy a bunch of expensive things just because he felt like it. But he's the one who makes the money, so no one can yell at him for it. Budgeting is a foreign word to them. Everyone's paying for their own college. It's not that I'm not allowed to pay for my own things, but I try not to spend money if I don't have to. I don't have a steady source of income, so once it's gone, it's just gone. That said, sometimes I use it to get ice cream in the summer because we get coupons and it doesn't cost much. On another note, Salvation Army is her choice because it's Christian, cheap, and closer to home. Plus, they haven't exactly been nice to LGBTs-- I'm pretty sure she's stopped shopping at the places that do support them. Most people just wear T-shirts and jeans/pants/leggings/not booty shorts I'm just wearing whatever's comfortable instead of worrying about if people will see my scandallously visible hairy legs. Also, I know what song you referenced, but it doesn't count because I cheated and looked it up. The only bowties I have are a couple of patterned pre-tied ones I found at Claire's or Hot Topic and a black one from a Halloween store that's sloppy-looking and literally has velcro holding it together. The other ones are better looking, but the clasp comes undone easily and it gets annoying after a while. They look cool, though, so it's worth being mildly annoyed. Still, some day I'm going to get a real one if I can. showing off what I do have: Stupid one from Halloween store (first one I ever got) I'm pretty sure it's filled with foam :\ 2 patterns and then this one It's a clip-on, but I usually have nothing to clip it onto, so I put a ribbon in the clip and that solution works surprisingly well. I'm somewhat amused by how no two of my bowties have the same kind of thing that holds it on. I like twirling my pencil in a way that's supposed to look graceful. It probably doesn't look graceful at all, but it's soothing, at least. Some time or another I ought to re-learn how to tie fancy knots and practice them with my hoodie strings.
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Post by Death on May 1, 2017 4:38:54 GMT -4
There are two rules of living where I am:
One, you either have to wear orange or green to show your allegiance.
Two, If you are one one colour and you see a person with another colour you have to immediately kick the shit out of them, with extreme prejudice.
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Post by Bannanachair on May 1, 2017 4:50:25 GMT -4
There are two rules of living where I am: One, you either have to wear orange or green to show your allegiance. Two, If you are one one colour and you see a person with another colour you have to immediately kick the shit out of them, with extreme prejudice. What if you're wearing this?
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Post by Death on May 1, 2017 5:16:38 GMT -4
There are two rules of living where I am: One, you either have to wear orange or green to show your allegiance. Two, If you are one one colour and you see a person with another colour you have to immediately kick the shit out of them, with extreme prejudice. What if you're wearing this? Those are the colours of the tricolour, so you'd be fine anywhere in the south, But when you go into the north, be careful about going into Antrim or any of the really northern counties. I live in County Down, which is filled with people from the south because we're so close to the south- so you'd be alright here.
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Post by Bannanachair on May 1, 2017 5:48:28 GMT -4
What if you're wearing this? Those are the colours of the tricolour, so you'd be fine anywhere in the south, But when you go into the north, be careful about going into Antrim or any of the really northern counties. I live in County Down, which is filled with people from the south because we're so close to the south- so you'd be alright here. What if you're not wearing either orange nor green? Or what if you're an idiot American tourist dressed like The Riddler in the most recent episode of Gotham?
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Post by Death on May 1, 2017 5:49:30 GMT -4
Those are the colours of the tricolour, so you'd be fine anywhere in the south, But when you go into the north, be careful about going into Antrim or any of the really northern counties. I live in County Down, which is filled with people from the south because we're so close to the south- so you'd be alright here. What if you're not wearing either orange nor green? Or what if you're an idiot American tourist dressed like The Riddler in the most recent episode of Gotham? You'd get laughed at and ridiculed for being a stupid American.
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Post by Death on May 1, 2017 14:26:07 GMT -4
There are two rules of living where I am: One, you either have to wear orange or green to show your allegiance. Two, If you are one one colour and you see a person with another colour you have to immediately kick the shit out of them, with extreme prejudice. Who knew Irish people were so similar to poor African Americans? Only difference is we've had around two hundred years to let it fester and get worse. Also we tried killing each other nonstop for thirty years of those two hundred.
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Post by Tikobe on May 1, 2017 14:36:32 GMT -4
Who knew Irish people were so similar to poor African Americans? Only difference is we've had around two hundred years to let it fester and get worse. Also we tried killing each other nonstop for thirty years of those two hundred. Huh, all I thought the Irish did was drink at the bars. ... That was a joke, of course.
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Post by Death on May 1, 2017 18:20:52 GMT -4
Only difference is we've had around two hundred years to let it fester and get worse. Also we tried killing each other nonstop for thirty years of those two hundred. Huh, all I thought the Irish did was drink at the bars. ... That was a joke, of course. Oh we do that too. But we're not near Glaswegian levels of drinking, though Glasgow is a 'special' place even in Scotland. According to one website we have the sexiest accent in the world, so we have that going for us.
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Post by Τι κοιτάς ρε on May 3, 2017 22:14:42 GMT -4
Huh, all I thought the Irish did was drink at the bars. ... That was a joke, of course. Oh we do that too. But we're not near Glaswegian levels of drinking, though Glasgow is a 'special' place even in Scotland. According to one website we have the sexiest accent in the world, so we have that going for us. The one thing an Irish accent isn't is sexy, unless you're Scottish.
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Post by Not WiFi on May 4, 2017 1:16:46 GMT -4
I was really allowed to wear anything I wanted but never bothered to buy my own stuff until recently. Now that I have the money and willingness to go and shop I look like a happy hobo with no fashion sense.
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