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Post by Bannanachair on Apr 26, 2017 8:29:57 GMT -4
I went down a rabbithole with those suggested videos, going from a video about places named after places in the UK to videos about the etymology of "satan", "lucifer" and "beelzebub" (among others) and then finally I arrived at the following video about the bible and homosexuality:
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Post by MrStilts on Apr 26, 2017 9:00:06 GMT -4
I've heard that in one potential re-translation of the Bible, Jesus healed the wounds of one man's male slave-prostitute (which I guess was a thing?) because he was flattered by their belief in him, not at all taking their orientations into account. Still, the site I heard that from, as well as this video, are just one source. Plus, that's apparently the only video the channel ever put out, so I'm rather skeptical about the accuracy of either one.
Actually, looking at the comment section, it seems that there are quite a few religiously inclined people trying to add support to the "OK-ness" of homosexuality in Christianity. I probably shouldn't be surprised, considering that there are priests out there overseeing same-sex marriages, but it is a rather comforting sight.
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Post by Bannanachair on Apr 26, 2017 9:04:12 GMT -4
I've heard that in one potential re-translation of the Bible, Jesus healed the wounds of one man's male slave-prostitute (which I guess was a thing?) because he was flattered by their belief in him, not at all taking their orientations into account. Still, the site I heard that from, as well as this video, are just one source. Plus, that's apparently the only video the channel ever put out, so I'm rather skeptical about the accuracy of either one. Yeah, that being the only video on the channel is a bit off, but the logic presented seems to work and from google-searching all the various facts (like the original greek word that was translated to mean homosexual) has so far seemed to just confirm this video. Also, I'd be curious to see if you could track down that potential retranslation; I'm assuming it's a retranslation directly from the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek? |
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Post by MrStilts on Apr 26, 2017 9:26:20 GMT -4
I've heard that in one potential re-translation of the Bible, Jesus healed the wounds of one man's male slave-prostitute (which I guess was a thing?) because he was flattered by their belief in him, not at all taking their orientations into account. Still, the site I heard that from, as well as this video, are just one source. Plus, that's apparently the only video the channel ever put out, so I'm rather skeptical about the accuracy of either one. Yeah, that being the only video on the channel is a bit off, but the logic presented seems to work and from google-searching all the various facts (like the original greek word that was translated to mean homosexual) has so far seemed to just confirm this video. Also, I'd be curious to see if you could track down that potential retranslation; I'm assuming it's a retranslation directly from the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek? I could try finding that re-translation, sure, but I don't think I'm likely to dig up anything. The thing was still in the works last I heard, and it's entirely possible for it turn out that the scenario I mentioned wasn't actually in the Bible at all, I'm also really lazy with research and I'm not really that interested in theology at all so that's a downside but I'll see if I could find anything else interesting. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 12:18:52 GMT -4
From my own knowledge of the Christian faith, I would stand to reason those that follow jesus more than the bible proper would be more inclined to not really give a shit about homosexuality.
Running under the assumption that homosexuality is, in fact, a sin, the following things can be taken into consideration.
1. The bible says that Jesus sat down and ate dinner with Levi, a tax collector, and it makes specific mention that the room was filled with sinners who also ate with Jesus.
Mark 2: 13-17
Upon being confronted about his association with sinners, Jesus rebuked those who asked him by stating that he had come for the sinners, rather than the righteous. Though, you may form your own conclusion from Jesus' specific words in this circumstance.
Matthew 9: 11-13
2. There are a couple specific and well known instances wherein Jesus criticized those who would put themselves on a pedestal above "sinners."
They are as follows:
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
John 8: 7 (earlier verses in this chapter provide better context.)
"How can you say to your brother, let me take that speck out of your eye, when there is the log in your own eye?"
Matthew 7: 4-5
From this, we can reason that Jesus, a perfect being, was forgiving of sins, and rebuked those who would put their sins below others. Thus, running under the same earlier assumption that homosexuality is a sin, we can say that a Christian who follows Jesus' teachings would perhaps not be entirely accepting of homosexuality, but still wouldn't openly criticize them for it, or even care that much.
I'm sorry if this is long winded, but I felt like presenting a proper argument for some reason.
I didn't watch the video either, so if I'm retreading ground, my apologies as well.
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Post by Bannanachair on Apr 26, 2017 12:28:29 GMT -4
From my own knowledge of the Christian faith, I would stand to reason those that follow jesus more than the bible proper would be more inclined to not really give a shit about homosexuality. Running under the assumption that homosexuality is, in fact, a sin, the following things can be taken into consideration. 1. The bible says that Jesus sat down and ate dinner with Levi, a tax collector, and it makes specific mention that the room was filled with sinners who also ate with Jesus. Mark 2: 13-17 Upon being confronted about his association with sinners, Jesus rebuked those who asked him by stating that he had come for the sinners, rather than the righteous. Though, you may form your own conclusion from Jesus' specific words in this circumstance. Matthew 9 : 11-13 2. There are a couple specific and well known instances wherein Jesus criticized those who would put themselves on a pedestal above "sinners." They are as follows: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." John 8: 7 (earlier verses in this chapter provide better context.) "How can you say to your brother, let me take that speck out of your eye, when there is the log in your own eye?" Matthew 7: 4-5 From this, we can reason that Jesus, a perfect being, was forgiving of sins, and rebuked those who would put their sins below others. Thus, running under the same earlier assumption that homosexuality is a sin, we can say that a Christian who follows Jesus' teachings would perhaps not be entirely accepting of homosexuality, but still wouldn't openly criticize them for it, or even care that much. I'm sorry if this is long winded, but I felt like presenting a proper argument for some reason. I didn't watch the video either, so if I'm retreading ground, my apologies as well. The video mostly adds historical context to those verses in Leviticus that say that homosexuality is a sin, saying that it was a sin because it was done by the nearby pagans (and not the other way around). However, yeah, your points are also pretty cool. Basically the Bible is open to way too much interpretation. |
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