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Post by The Jiggler on Jul 14, 2015 14:20:41 GMT -4
Today's topic: Do the Crystal Gems from the Steven Universe series have genders? Sides: - They do have genders.
- They don't have genders.
- Neutral opposition.
I will take the side of that they do have genders.
I will start with Amethyst.
As you can see here, Amethyst is wearing tights with stars on them, white boots, a purple tank-top, and a sports bra. Bras are commonly worn by the human female to hold their natural breasts. Plus Amethyst has quite long hair which naturally occurs to women as I believe without any scientific backup that their hair growth is longer. But I do understand that there are men with longer hair. |
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Post by Bannanachair on Jul 14, 2015 14:26:31 GMT -4
Here's an idea - Post this in the correct forum next time!
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Post by The Villa Strangiato on Jul 14, 2015 14:26:39 GMT -4
Yes, they do have genders
evidence:
They have the normal, higher octive voices of women
they wear clothing that most women wear
and finally, they seem to stick to decisions once they make it, however men tend to change descions frequently
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Post by eloos on Jul 14, 2015 14:37:13 GMT -4
The gems are all genderless. Note how Peridot takes the form of a bunch of triangles, and how the gems physical forms can be altered upon being forced back into their gem. They have no set appearance, and likely only choose to appear as female with voices following the female type because the Crystal Gems both want to appear as a motherly figure to Steven and fit in with the humans, and if not it is just because of preference. The maker of the show even confirmed they do NOT have genders.
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Post by The Jiggler on Jul 14, 2015 14:47:29 GMT -4
The gems are all genderless. Note how Peridot takes the form of a bunch of triangles, and how the gems physical forms can be altered upon being forced back into their gem. They have no set appearance, and likely only choose to appear as female with voices following the female type because the Crystal Gems both want to appear as a motherly figure to Steven and fit in with the humans, and if not it is just because of preference. The maker of the show even confirmed they do NOT have genders. Rebecca Sugar's word any of this is null due to her belief that lapis lazuli is a common gem found throughout the universe. And you're saying that the gems only appear with female voices to act as a motherly figure to the humans. But what about the opposing gems? Such as Peridot herself? Peridot, Jasper, and other gems have no reason to fit in with the humans due to their odd skin color, height, etcetera. Peridot's face is very slender and petite, like a female's. |
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Post by eloos on Jul 14, 2015 14:49:44 GMT -4
The gems are all genderless. Note how Peridot takes the form of a bunch of triangles, and how the gems physical forms can be altered upon being forced back into their gem. They have no set appearance, and likely only choose to appear as female with voices following the female type because the Crystal Gems both want to appear as a motherly figure to Steven and fit in with the humans, and if not it is just because of preference. The maker of the show even confirmed they do NOT have genders. Rebecca Sugar's word any of this is null due to her belief that lapis lazuli is a common gem found throughout the universe. And you're saying that the gems only appear with female voices to act as a motherly figure to the humans. But what about the opposing gems? Such as Peridot herself? Peridot, Jasper, and other gems have no reason to fit in with the humans due to their odd skin color, height, etcetera. Peridot's face is very slender and petite, like a female's. Perhaps scientifically, but considering it is her show she knows everything about HER characters. It is a cartoon, also, so thus following the rules of reality is not required. |
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Post by The Jiggler on Jul 14, 2015 15:18:41 GMT -4
Yet you decided to argue against me.
Plus it's impossible for them Gems to even exist biologically. It has proven that a female's egg cannot be fertilized without a sperm cell. Unless Rebecca has just rewrote those genetics and the Gems can ejaculate a stimulation to fertilize the egg. And then you may ask, "while how do gemstones even reproduce?" I mean, they can take up the form of multiple different objects, correct? So perhaps it is possible for a gem to become a man and then two gems have sexual intercourse to have a baby. What would that baby be? A pre-fusion?
It's only possible for the Gems to have been manufactured. But they'd have to be engineered in hundreds of different ways to even obtain humanity. And why do all Gems speak (American) English? I mean Garnet has a somewhat British accent, but still.
If this is deemed too inappropriate for the site, please message me and I will remove it. I understand that the concept of sexual intercourse may be inappropriate for our younger audience.
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Post by eloos on Jul 14, 2015 15:20:33 GMT -4
Gems are not biological. I am not sure what they are, but it is known that they don't reproduce as a biological being would. It is proven that it is possible for a gem to shapeshift a womb and reproductive organ, however, as Rose did that to give birth to Steven.
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Post by The Jiggler on Jul 14, 2015 15:26:34 GMT -4
Even if Rose (Quartz) - wait no.
She would have to recreate an entire cell system for this. Also, I doubt that crystal gems and homo sapiens are compatible.
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Post by eloos on Jul 14, 2015 15:31:45 GMT -4
It's a cartoon, Prec. It doesn't have to follow the rules that real life does.
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Post by The Jiggler on Jul 14, 2015 15:36:08 GMT -4
Yes it does.
Now you sound just like Dwagon.
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Post by eloos on Jul 14, 2015 15:41:00 GMT -4
Because she's right.
It is a TV show made for children and teens, and thus it does not have to follow the established rules of the real world. It takes place in a fantasy setting with magic and aliens who are seemingly powered by magic, which in itself is already breaking a rule. It is like saying that anything sci-fi or fantasy should be discarded because they possess things that are impossible in the real world.
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Post by Bannanachair on Jul 14, 2015 15:43:34 GMT -4
Yet you decided to argue against me. Plus it's impossible for them Gems to even exist biologically. It has proven that a female's egg cannot be fertilized without a sperm cell. Unless Rebecca has just rewrote those genetics and the Gems can ejaculate a stimulation to fertilize the egg. And then you may ask, "while how do gemstones even reproduce?" I mean, they can take up the form of multiple different objects, correct? So perhaps it is possible for a gem to become a man and then two gems have sexual intercourse to have a baby. What would that baby be? A pre-fusion? It's only possible for the Gems to have been manufactured. But they'd have to be engineered in hundreds of different ways to even obtain humanity. And why do all Gems speak (American) English? I mean Garnet has a somewhat British accent, but still.
If this is deemed too inappropriate for the site, please message me and I will remove it. I understand that the concept of sexual intercourse may be inappropriate for our younger audience. They could reproduce asexually like mushrooms. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 16:01:20 GMT -4
amethyst has a purble tiddy
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 16:09:18 GMT -4
also while all gems dont really technically have any genders/sex because they dont reproduce like humans or animals do they can in fact identify as having a gender if they wanted to and even if they dont straight up identify as that gender they can still take pronouns
i guess
that's an answer
if that makes sense
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Post by The Jiggler on Jul 14, 2015 16:11:08 GMT -4
k so pick just finished the argument
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 17:22:13 GMT -4
I'm not reading most of this, but I am just going to comment that the only gem I've seen so far that doesn't seem feminine is the half-gem.
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Post by tarandus on Jul 14, 2015 17:31:29 GMT -4
Because the half-gem has a gender.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 18:16:13 GMT -4
and his name is steven
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2015 18:16:44 GMT -4
also he really doesnt count in this discussion because he's also half-human
he can fuse with humans and is made out of flesh not hard light
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Post by Slacktivist on Jul 26, 2015 2:27:38 GMT -4
He might be hard light. Cat fingers, man.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 9:41:33 GMT -4
He seems to be both hard light and flesh.
I'm calling him an anomaly.
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Post by eloos on Jul 26, 2015 10:30:44 GMT -4
dont let that disguise fool you; the sneople are planning something, i know it!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:52:11 GMT -4
He might be hard light. Cat fingers, man. yeah but point was i'm not really counting him because he is still an anomaly (being half-human), a very large exception to the rule |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 11:59:46 GMT -4
Yet you decided to argue against me. Plus it's impossible for them Gems to even exist biologically. It has proven that a female's egg cannot be fertilized without a sperm cell. Unless Rebecca has just rewrote those genetics and the Gems can ejaculate a stimulation to fertilize the egg. And then you may ask, "while how do gemstones even reproduce?" I mean, they can take up the form of multiple different objects, correct? So perhaps it is possible for a gem to become a man and then two gems have sexual intercourse to have a baby. What would that baby be? A pre-fusion? It's only possible for the Gems to have been manufactured. But they'd have to be engineered in hundreds of different ways to even obtain humanity. And why do all Gems speak (American) English? I mean Garnet has a somewhat British accent, but still.
If this is deemed too inappropriate for the site, please message me and I will remove it. I understand that the concept of sexual intercourse may be inappropriate for our younger audience. 1. gems are gems they dont reproduce. i remember rebecca or someone saying that steven even existing is strange and that gems don't reproduce normally like humans and animals do at all. rose got pregnant because she specifically shapeshifted a womb for steven, but that was the exception, not the rule. 2. amethyst was manufactured on earth through the kindergarten, so the other gems being manufactured only not on earth isn't far out of reach. it's still a mystery of the show though, and i hope that it does cover how does the other (not kindergarden and not half human) gems got born and existed. i 100% doubt it was through sexual reproduction though. 3. it's a kid show and them all speaking english is for our convenience and. of course, in real life, if aliens did existed and were here they probably had to learn english and start off with their own language, whatever it was; however even the homeworld gems (even peridot who lived after the gem war on earth? i think?) speak english to each other. but, it's not real life, it's a cartoon, it's fantasy/science fiction, not 100% real, and gems all speaking american english is a part of that. |
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